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Responding to Claims Made by the Political Insiders and Protectors of the Status Quo  
 
The political insiders and the proectors of teh status quo have made many charges and claims about Council Districts. As we hear or read them, we post answers here. You can scroll down and browse the topics or click on the category that interests you the most. If you have additional questions, send us an email at info@concernedcitizensofHuntington and we will answer as soons as we can.
 



 
 

Claim: “They timed their submission of their petition to ensure as few voters as possible.”

Fact: We wanted a Vote on Election Day; the Town Board refused.

  1. The Town Board is the sole entity that can schedule a referendum vote. We asked the individual Town Council Members to put Council Districts on the ballot this past Election Day. They refused and told us to collect petitions. We asked them not to challenge the petitions and they refused. 

  2. We organized the largest petition drive in Town history: 123 volunteers collected 788 pages of petitions and nearly 4,000 signatures. We submitted the petitions to the Town Clerk as soon as we had enough signatures to withstand challenges. Petitions drives almost always result in special elections. That is the way petitions work under the law.

  3. We had no control over the timing of the vote. The Town Council was then forced by the law to schedule a vote.  We only wish they had put it on the ballot on Election Day as we had requested.

Claim: The December 22 vote “was made necessary by a small group of individuals.”

Fact: The Concerned Citizens of Huntington is the Largest Non-Partisan Group with Members from All Parts of Town and We Conducted the Largest Petition Drive in Town History.

 

The vote will take place on December 22 as a special election because the Town Council refused for five years to put the issue on the ballot.

 

The Concerned Citizens of Huntington is not a small group, but a large one with membership from all parts of Town and all political parties. We conducted the largest petition drive in Town History: 123 volunteers collected 788 pages of petitions and nearly 4,000 signatures. The non-partisan nature of our group is best reflected in the make-up of our top ten petition volunteers: three Democrats, three Conservatives, two Independents and two Republicans.

 

We have members from all parts of Town, all walks of life and all political points of view. We have the formal endorsement of the Long Island Progressive Coalition, the Huntington Republicans, the Working Family Party, the Huntington Conservatives, County Executive Steve Levy, Highway Superintendent William Naughton, County Legislator Jon Cooper and Assemblyman Jim Conte with other elected officials ready to make their support public.

 

To dismiss Council District supporters as “disgruntled” or “small” is to denigrate a broad gathering of civic-minded volunteers. The insiders have ignored the larger population of Town for too long.

 

Claim: Council District supporters are “hoping that voters will be too involved with the holidays to come out and vote.”

Fact: We wanted the vote on Election Day and want as many people to vote as possible.

 

We wanted the vote held on Election Day; it was the Town Council that refused to let the people vote in the general election. We have done all we can to educate the people of Huntington about this issue. We have held information meetings for nearly a year and want to educate as many people as possible.

 

The more people who understand the issue, the more likely it will pass. The more people who vote, the better for Huntington. It is the Town Hall insiders who are working behind the scenes to undermine public debate and to defeat this measure.  

 

 
 

Claim: Council Districts “Drive up the cost of government and cause taxes to rise.”

Fact: Council Districts Do Not Raise Government Costs and Do Not Inrease Taxes  

 

This is a standard fear tactic. We will still have four Council Members. No new staff, no new offices and no new costs. Four Towns have made the switch on Long Island (Hempstead, North Hempstead, Brookhaven and Southold). None of them have increased spending because of Council Districts. For example, in Brookhaven, there has been a zero increase in general fund taxes since Council Districts.

Here’s a clue: We have many supporters and supporting organizations from all across the political spectrum, including the Conservative Party. The Conservative Party is always looking to reduce government spending, so would they endorse Council Districts in Brookhaven and in Huntington if they thought taxes would rise?

 

 
Claim: “Town board members should make decisions that are in the best interest of the whole town not just one area.”

Fact: Yes, the Town Council Should Make Decisions in the Best Interests of the Town, but to do so, All Communities Must Be Heard.

 

All legislators need to balance the needs of their immediate constituents with the theoretical greater good. That happens at every level of government. What we need in Huntington is some accountability to our communities. Across America, legislators balance local needs with overall needs; Huntington is out of balance because we do not have a system that represents local interests and needs.

To know what is in the best interest of the whole town, the Town Council must hear from all our communities. Under the current system, not all communities have a voice at Town Hall. We need a system that ensures representation for all.

 

Under the current system, all council members could live on the same street. In recent times, a majority of the Board lived in one community. Currently, all Council Members live in the east side of Town and no one lives on the west side of Town. Start in Melville, go through West Hills, South Huntington, Huntington Station, Huntington Village, Huntington Bay, Cold Spring Harbor and Lloyd Harbor and you will not find a single Town Council person.

Council Districts make sure all areas have a Council Member living near them. Under the At-Large System, communities can be ignored and have no recourse

 

Claim: “Council Districts Replace the Idea of What’s in the Best Interest of the Whole Town”

Fact: How Can We Know What’s in the Best Interest of the Town if Our Communities Don’t Have a Voice

  • To Know the What’s in the Best Interest of the Whole Town, the Town Council Must Hear from All Our Communities

  • Under the Current System, All Council Members Could Live on the Same Street. Council Districts Make Sure All Areas Have Some Living Near Them.

  • Across America Legislators Balance Local Needs with Overall Needs; Huntington is Out of Whack

  • Under the At-Large System, Communities Can be Ignored and Have No Recourse

Claim: “Councilmanic Districts divides Huntington and pits us against our neighbors.”

Fact: Council Districts do not divide the Town.

 

Council Districts ensure that all parts of Town have a voice at Town Hall. Giving all our communities representation does not divide the Town. Council Districts have not divided the four other Long Island towns (Hempstead, North Hempstead, Brookhaven and Southold) that have made this change.

 

Would the opponents do away with districts in the County Legislature? Would the opponents do away with districts in the State Assembly? The House of Representatives? Have the presence of districts destroyed Suffolk County?

 

The arguments against Council Districts go against the core of American government: representation.

 

Claim: Council Districts “will open the door for corruption, “backroom deals” and bickering thereby playing one district against another, which will result in little being accomplished.”

 Fact: Council Districts will lead to more openness add less corruption.

 

This false claim assumes there are no back room deals in Huntington now and that the current structure has not pitted one part of Town against another. In fact, four other Towns on Long Island have adopted Council Districts and there is no evidence of districts ganging up.

 

No Town government is perfect, but those that have switched to Council Districts are doing fine. In Brookhaven, Newsday has reported how well the Town is working under the leadership of Supervisor Mark Lesko and the Council District members. Let’s talk facts, not false fears.  

 

The current system has led to 100 percent unanimous votes (598 votes taken, 598 unanimous votes in 2009). Huntington suffers from a lack of openness and a lack of debate at Town Hall. Council Districts will bring new voices and fresh air to Town Hall. Under Council Districts, Town Council Members will be accountable to their districts, not to political parties, not to big money supporters. Their re-election will depend upon how well they serve their communities; no how well they serve their donors.

 

Claim:Other towns on Long Island have tried councilmanic districts and my beliefs seem to hold true … just look at how accountable and open they are in the towns of Brookhaven and Hempstead!”

Fact:  Four Towns on Long Island have made the switch with no effort to undo the change. Government is not perfect there, but is better. Groups in more Towns are looking to make the change.

 

Council Districts have worked well in Hempstead and Brookhaven as well as North Hempstead and Southold. That is why movements are afoot in Islip, Riverhead, Oyster Bay and Babylon to move to Council Districts.

Listen to the people who know what is really happening.

·         Liz Krolik, a Huntington resident and staff person to the Brookhaven Town Council, spoke at Town Hall in favor of Council Districts say they are “necessary,” and will make Huntington better just as they did Brookhaven:

·         County Executive Steve Levy has endorsed Council Districts for Huntington because of their success in Brookhaven.

·         Dr. Marsha Laufer, chairwoman of the Brookhaven Town Democratic Committee, has said, “Election wards have been great for Brookhaven.”

·         Richard Johannessen, a Conservative activist and one of the leaders who brought Council Districts to Brookhaven describes them as “miraculous.”

·         John Jay LaValle, former Republican Brookhaven Supervisor has endorsed Council Districts and has spoken in favor of Council Districts in Huntington.

·         Suffolk County Democratic leader Rich Schaffer, who supported Council Districts in Brookhaven, told the New York Times that the move to Council Districts is good. ‘’It gives people a better shot at getting a quick response to community problems.”

False: “Council Districts will split communities and school districts.”

Fact: The Law Says the Districts Must Keep Villages, Hamlets and Communities Together

 

Another scare tactic. Council Districts will give a voice to our communities. Council Districts will tie Council Members to specific School Districts? Which Council Member represents your school district under the current system? Which Council member is accountable to your community?


 
Claim: We can vote for four Council Members now and under Council Districts can Only Vote for One

Fact: Better One Council Member Who Represents My Community and Is Accountable to My Community than Four Who Have No Accountability to My Community

 

Does the opposition want to do away with representative government? Is it the American way to elect one person to represent us, one person accountable to us? Under the at-large system, there is no specific representation for our communities and no accountability to our communities.

Claim: “Currently we vote for all 4 Huntington Town Board members. With Councilmanic Districts, we would only vote for one and drastically reduce our voice.”

Fact: Today, we vote for four Council members with no assurance that they will represent or pay attention to our community.

 

Under Council Districts, each community will have a person who represents that community and will be accountable to that community. Under Council Districts, your vote will not be diluted and will be four times more powerful. Council Districts create the bond of representation that exists at al other level of governments: we elect a person to represents us and that person is accountable to us.

 

We vote for four Council Members now, but who represents your community? Who is accountable to your community?

 

Claim: “In Huntington, the present at-large system allows me to have a choice in electing all four town board members, not just one.”

Fact: This is a false choice. Better to elect one person who represents you and is accountable to you than four who do not represent you and are not accountable to you.

 

The at-large system may have made sense when Huntington had fewer than 30,000 residents. Today, Huntington has more than 200,000 residents and one vote in an at-large election is too diluted. Under Council Districts, each vote will be four times more powerful. One Council Member accountable to your district is better than four Council members not accountable to any district.

 

Think of this. Huntington is now larger than 44 counties in New York State. We have more residents than Salt Lake City, Des Moines, Little Rock and Providence Rhode Island. We have a budget of $185.6 million. Isn’t it time we have a government structure that represents that keeps pace with our size and sophistication?

 

That is why Newsday endorsed Council Districts in an October 30 editorial; Huntington is a modern, cosmopolitan town in many ways. It's time its form of government reflected that.”

 

 
Claim: “People say that Council Districts Have Not Worked in Brookhaven."

Fact:  Brookhaven is better off with Council Districts so say the leaders of Brookhaven from all political parties. And no one in Brookhaven has said they want to go back to an at-large system.

 

Council Districts have worked well in Hempstead and Brookhaven as well as North Hempstead and Southold. That is why movements are afoot in Islip, Riverhead, Oyster Bay and Babylon to move to Council Districts.

 

Here is what people who know what is happening in Brookhaven say:

·         Liz Krolik, a Huntington resident and staff person to the Brookhaven Town Council, spoke at Town Hall in favor of Council Districts say they are “necessary,” and will make Huntington better just as they did Brookhaven:

·         County Executive Steve Levy has endorsed Council Districts for Huntington because of their success in Brookhaven.

·         Dr. Marsha Laufer, chairwoman of the Brookhaven Town Democratic Committee, has said, “Election wards have been great for Brookhaven.”

·         Richard Johannessen, a Conservative activist and one of the leaders who brought Council Districts to Brookhaven describes them as “miraculous.”

·         John Jay LaValle, former Republican Brookhaven Supervisor has endorsed Council Districts and has spoken in favor of Council Districts in Huntington.

·         Suffolk County Democratic leader Rich Schaffer, who supported Council Districts in Brookhaven, told the New York Times that the move to Council Districts is good. ‘’It gives people a better shot at getting a quick response to community problems.”

 
 

 
We prefer to focus on the issue. It is unfortunte that so many opposing Council Districts resort to attempted smear campaigns. This is not an issue about personalities or personal ambitions: it is about how we want to be governed. 
 
Claim: “They are just a bunch of disgruntled Republicans or Conservatives”

Fact: Our group has members and leaders from all parties

 

·         Our members represent all the communities within the Town of Huntington from all sectors of the population and all walks of life.

·         Our supporters include Republicans and Democrats, Conservatives and Progressives, members of the Working Families, Green and Independence Parties and many voters not affiliated with a party.

·         We are a single issue organization fighting to change the structure of Town government to make it more representative, more open and more accessible.

·         The Concerned Citizens of Huntington does not endorse or oppose candidates and was not formed to support or oppose the election of any candidate or the candidates of any one party. We played no role in the most recent Town elections.

·         We are not trying to unseat any elected official or party, nor are we trying to put any individual or party into power.

·         The non-partisan nature of our group is best reflected in the make-up of our top ten petition volunteers: three Democrats, three Conservatives, two Independents and two Republicans.

 

 

Claim: “I am a Democrat and this group is trying to unseat the Democrats at Town Hall.”

Fact: We are non-partisan with supporters from across the political spectrum. We have many Democrats in our leadership, including many Democratic Committee people.

 

Our group did not endorse or oppose any candidates in the recent elections. We are truly non-partisan with supporters from across the political spectrum. To claim that we are anti-Democractic makes no sense. Consider the following:

 

·         We have the endorsement of many Democrats, including County Executive Steve Levy and we will shortly announce the endorsement of Suffolk County Legislator Jon Cooper. 

·         One of Our Co-Coordinators, Mark X. Cronin, was the Long Island Grassroots Coordinator of the Obama Campaign, served on the National Democratic Rules Committee and is a Town Democratic Committee Person.

·         Our Fundraising Coordinator, Josh Kaufman, is a Democrat and a Town Committee person.

·         Our Co-Chair of the Petition Committee, Carol Schlitt, is a Democrat and a Town Committee person.

·         We have many Democratic Town Committee people among our most active supporters.

 

 

 

Claim: “Someone at Town Hall said I should look at the motivations of the leaders.”

Fact: We prefer to stick to the merits of the Council Districts. However, none of our leaders have Town jobs, receive payments from the Town or do business with the Town. The political insiders and supporters of the status quo cannot make that assertion.  

 

This claim is so offensive. Why launch smear campaign when we can debate the facts in the open? Why attack motivations instead of keeping to the issue? Since when has standing up for what one believes become a bad thing? Since when has civic involvement become a bad thing?

 

None of the leadership in this group is running for office. To avoid any potential conflict, our two Co-Coordinators have pledged not to run for office. None of our leadership has a Town job, receives a salary from the Town or a Town entity, is a Town appointee or does business with the Town. Here are the names of some of our most the people on our advisory group: Dennis Garetano, Mark Cronin, Frank Tinari, Randal Wolfer, Frederica Friedman, Vivienne Wong, Carol Schlitt, John Dornheim, John Classen and Jeannette Salvito.

 

Perhaps the opposition has a concern. How many who have spent money, spoken against or signed letters against Council Districts is a political insider trying to protect the status quo that favors them. We read emails from Town Council staff person, from appointees to Town Boards that receive stipends, from people doing business with the Town.

 

Let’s stick to the issues. As County Executive Steve Levy has said, "The decision to support council districts should not be based on one's party registration. Democrats shouldn't speak in favor of council districts when they are out of power and then turn around and oppose the concept once they have gained power. The same holds true for Republicans."